Marrying Down

Today, in fun with visualizations.

Basically the transfers coming in to Georgia and even leaving rarely go down to a G5 school. This seems to suggest that Smart only takes in quality, impact transfers, but also speaks to the quality of guys he recruits who eventually opt to leave and head elsewhere. Most seem to head to other Power 4 programs, instead of heading down a level to get more playing time (or, presumably, money).

Not surprised to see Alabama and Ohio State there…but this warrants the question: what the hell is wrong with Clemson, I mean, aside from being Clemson?

22 thoughts on “Marrying Down”

  1. ā€œā€¦ but this warrants the question: what the hell is wrong with Clemson, I mean, aside from being Clemson?ā€

    Does there have to be anything else? Isn’t being Clemson enough?

    • Clemson aspires to get back to the old days of “Clemsoning,” because that meant that they were actually good for part of the season…

  2. I think the x-axis of that chart has a lot of value in that it shows that your guys who are leaving just couldn’t cut it against your roster rather than against your league. That speaks to roster quality.

    I’m not so sure about the y-axis, even though I see some correlation there. Yeah, you get the Branch types who truly are a team poaching their peers. But the best thing about the portal in my mind is that it allows kids who were late bloomers or played somewhere without a lot of visibility to make the jump to the big programs if they get on a smaller campus and ball out. I’m not sure if I’d prefer picking up a kid from a P4 or from a G5 or lower if that’s all I have to base my decision on. There is probably more upside in the latter group on any given transfer if we’re being honest.

  3. I’m guessing Clemson shows up there only because they are so inactive in either direction in the portal. That better change because looking at the results from this last season one would deduce that the current roster built from HS recruits isn’t all they were cracked up to be.

    Dabo seems to think it is all Garret Riley ‘s fault.

    • Dabo’s had plenty of guys transfer out. Which makes it all the more amazing that he’s been able to win any games, since he can only replace them with high schoolers. That chart basically says that all of the guys that leave Clemson go to other P4 programs, and it’s probably because they’re still good players who feel that they’re wasting their time on a sinking ship.

  4. My gut feeling as we entered this Wild Wild West era of CFB was that Kirby was the right guy to make the transition. I think he can navigate it with a blend of old school ‘crootin and coachin’, and new school whatever voodoo or bag$ it takes. (Fingers crossed, knock on wood, turn around three times saying, “angels and saints preserve us!”)

    • Is the DJ Jacobs (yes, another in-state 5-star legacy) commitment to Ohio State a canary in the coal mine for how we’re doing things? I don’t claim to know … just asking the question.

        • I have no idea if we have it or not. Kirby has made it clear that he wants to focus his NIL budget on retaining the right guys over overspending on high school players. Roster retention is going to be a big focus for this team with so many young players as contributors.

          • I think Kirby has come to the conclusion of, screw the 5* that doesn’t want to be here and get prepared for the NFL. I’ll take the 4* who wants to be a BULLDAWG, go through the process, and wants to be coached up.

        • From what I’ve heard from some podcasts from guys who cover UGA (mainly Rusty Mansell) is that Georgia isn’t limited in NIL dollars and pays well, but they aren’t going to be the highest bidder like Texas, Miami, Oregon, or anOSU. Like others have said, Kirby isn’t going to pay an incoming freshman who hasn’t proven anything more than guys who have been in the program and contributed to prove their worth.

          • This is what I hear as well. But Rusty also said we went for Jacob’s with more money for that position than ever before, which tells you how much OSU wanted him (and how much money was a factor for Jacobs).

  5. I assume this is telling me the lower left quadrant is where you would like to be – a program that brings in transfers because it wants to rather than has to and does a good enough job evaluating high school talent that other P4 programs will take the players that wash out.

    If that’s the case, I would like someone to explain Indiana to me. Is that the JMU impact of Cignetti? It seems they are thrown in there with some of the dregs of the sport.

    Also Duke. How does Duke win the ACC with a roster built like that?

    • Indiana had a lot of Cignetti’s players transfer to Indiana with him (from his prior G5 school JMU) and other transfers, as new coaches are prone to do. Which also led to many transfers out of Indiana to make room for Cignetti’s guys coming in. Indiana has always been hot garbage bottom of the power conference barrel prior to Cignetti, so naturally the majority of their outgoing transfers would never cut it in power conferences. I would hazard a guess that the longer he coaches there, the more IU would shift towards the lower left quadrant.

  6. The Pollyanna in me says: Kirby stacks talent and the guys that want to develop and long con National Football League monies stick around. However, I think it’s really too Wildx2 West to make any conclusions. Kirby, I believe, learned after the 2019 sUGAr Bowl to rally the guys that want to roll with him and that’s been a big strength of his – just look at the 2023 Orange Bowl.

  7. Coming from under Saban and The Process I think Kirby’s strategy is quite simple…we’re the program you want to play for. I’ll get you money but there’s greater value long term in playing for UGA. If you’re a 5* needing a big paycheck go ahead and look elsewhere. I’m developing talent not buying it.

    Market economics…teams that win championships are in limited supply so the ā€œcostā€ of playing for us goes up (as in smaller NIL deals).

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