There is a professional, credible way to conduct a deep state cover up and then there’s whatever this is.
Discuss.
GTP Refugees
Let all the Bulldog faithful rally behind the men who now wear the red and black with two words, two simple words which express the sentiments of the entire Bulldog Nation: Auburn Sucks.
The list was created by democrats who coincidentally are also on the list.
So? Arrest them all. It’s pretty simple.
I agree! Arrest all pesos, even the ones that run churches. It’s amazing to me how stupid and smart the dems are though. They systematically stole an election without anyone being able to produce proof yet also created a fake Epstien list that they are all also on. When will these libtards learn?
Move along TDS’ers!
Why do you support pedo’s?
Your party got a lot done on it didnt they? Hell they didnt even mention it.
That’s how you create a hoax.
You shut up about it.
https://youtube.com/shorts/Kuy6aAu-6B8?si=J5AtqYlOpokWgl6p
What are you stupid?!?!
(Btw, That’s trump’s question, not mine btw. For me that seems quite rude.)
I think it’s news that Trump’s best friend was a notorious human traficker who got a sweet deal from Trump’s former labor secretary and current AG and then was conveniently suicided in jail during Trump’s first term.
Personally, I think Epstein’s best buddy is entirely absolved by buying the teen usa pageant and then cruising the dressing rooms. Its total TDS to think otherwise. Or to think at all.
Yeah they had all the incriminating evidence of Donald Trump. Makes you wonder why Hillary had to pay a foreigner to conjure up a false intel report to try to jail the guy. All they had to do was charge him with multiple felonies for one payment to a porn star.
Which was NOT election interference!!
Let me reiterate: silencing a porn star on the eve of an election was NOT election interference. At all or something.
Epstein was first investigated locally in Palm Beach starting in 2005. As noted above, the highly unusual deal he received kept the federal government from prosecuting anyone involved in the case. It was drawn up by Alexander Acosta, Trump’s labor secretary during his first term. After years of legal wrangling, federal prosecutors in the state of New York charged Epstein in 2019. The FBI and the Department of Justice were involved in the investigation and compilation of evidence against Jeffrey Epstein for the 2019 trial. Donald Trump is president at the time. Trump and his team had access to all the evidence. No information damaging to any Democrat was released while Trump was in office. The Biden administration takes over and has access to all the same evidence for the next four years. Despite being desperate to keep Trump out of the White House, no information damaging to Trump or any other Republican is released during that time. It seems to me that one of two things must be true. Either there is nothing more to release or there is so much evidence against so many people on both sides of the aisle that no one wants to release it. The second scenario is least likely in my opinion. A LOT of people in three different administrations have been involved in collecting, researching, analyzing, preparing and reviewing this data. Yet there have been no leaks and no bombshells. In the environment we currently find ourselves that is EXTREMELY unusual. So, my take is that there really isn’t much else that can be said. I do enjoy watching those who have spent years fanning the flames of conspiracy suddenly consumed by their own fire.
Right!
Russia collusion
Quid Pro Quo
Bad Man Orange hates blks
Insurrection
Tariffs will send us to Depression
The border IS secure – don’t believe Nazi Trump
He’s shitting on NATO
Iran = WW3
It goes on and on and on!
Ukraine? Solved in a day!
No foreign wars!!
Deficits slashed!!
Epstein files released!!
Promises kept!
Btw, I still say: “Russia if you’re listening find and release negative information on my opponent” is the funniest joke ever!! Only a patriot would balk at that as a legit campaign tactic.
Yeah why ask Russia to do it when you can get a dossier paid with campaign funds?
Its ok when we “D”o it.
And it comes to light 2 months after the votes are cast.
Evil they are. Evil.
Seems odd then to accuse your political opponents of faking the materials as a basis for not releasing them.
Also, if full transparency is a big nothingburger, then why not release it all? Whats the harm to anyone if there’s nothing to see?
Why is Epstein’s lawyer saying: i know who is being protected and why they are being protected and but for a judges order I’d tell all?
Finally, using the prior administration’s actions, or inactions, which are completely in line with doj rules regarding public disclosures as meaningful seems a bit of a reach.
After all we learned nothing publicly of the 2016 Russian intel influence campaign before the votes were cast. Obviously publicly stating or leaking that a Crossfire Hurricane investigation was open and ongoing would have been politically advantageous. Didn’t happen. The exception were the unauthorized Comey public reveals in both june and october.
In short, there has been one side politicizing deep state conspiracies, promising to reveal them, promises of accountability, and one side which has simply followed procedure, rules and precedent.
And of course, there is only one prominent person, who is in control of it all, who can be seen in dozens of photos and settings with the subject of the investigation.
The fact of the matter is this:
Epstein’s financial life alone would be the subject of lengthy reports and memos and we don’t even get to see those. How does a math teacher end up living in one the most expensive homes in manhattan, and palm beach, and a ranch in NM and an island and a private jet?
My personal take is that this guy was connected to intelligence: foreign and/or domestic. That in and of itself makes release perilous.
Moreover, I think its very likely that potus was interviewed about his relationship and confronted with photos, videos etc… not necessarily of criminal activity but shit the public might not much like and which might trigger a very expensive prenup escape clause.
Those two issues together make even limited, targeted releases difficult and thus we get a page and a half of drivel.
The congressional hearings in 2027 will be lit! I hope Maxwell makes it.
I guess it’s OK to be confused when the AG of the US, Pam Bondi, tells the world she’s got Epstein’s client list on her desk and she’s getting ready to view 100s of hours of video. And you know a member of the Trump administration (only the best people) would never lie or exaggerate. MAGA = clown.
Pam Bondi has been crowing for months about having Epstein’s client list and 100s of hours of incriminating video. Was it all BS?
Call me a tin foil hat guy or whatever, but I personally believe that Epstein was a Mossad agent. His gal pal Ghislaine’s daddy most certainly was. I’m way more angry at Israel over this than Trump, or Clinton or Bill Gates. They orchestrated it to blackmail powerful people worldwide. Believe what you want I guess.
I’d be shocked tho if our domestic intelligence agencies were caught unawares, which makes it stickier doesn’t it?
I think our intel wouldn’t see it as their jobs to interfere with, reveal or stop mossad but watch it and take advantage of it in some way. The public would find that pretty gross as they would with much of what international espionage is all about.
I think its likely that piece of it is what is protecting the scumbags who were caught up in it rather than the scumbags being able to protect themselves.
I ain’t saying any of that is right, but it adds up.
Bingo
That “Justice is blind”…and that we have “equal protection under the law” are now just lies. I don’t think a nation can reach it’s full potential with these two foundational stones being crapped on.
Mostly I blame the news media. They haven’t been the guardians of the truth for a long while now. They are mostly ideologues that hide or distort the truth almost constantly.
Less and less do the people trust the government or the news to tell them the truth. Why was the only MAGA rally covered by CNN the one in Butler, PA? Where did Biden find 81 million votes…way surpassing even Obama? What about Bama Privilege?
(Just joking on that one)…but Justice isn’t being applied fairly and we don’t have equal rights under the law.
No silver lining here…nothing to celebrate…all bad and damaging works.
1) your examples are complete bullshit so I’ll take the media over you.
2) justice as blind is an idealistic nation’s goal. Its never been a reality in this country or in any other for that matter. If you really want due process in America, be a dollar in a rich man’s pocket. Prying that away will take some doing. Much easier to take a poor man’s liberty or his life.
The only reason that difference exists is because we tolerate it or don’t even realize that its true. The justice system such that it is, only desires to give the majority an appearance of legitimacy/credibility. For the decision makers, those are not goals to be achieved, but goals ones of appearance.
And if you want to be entrusted with a seat at the table, you’ve shown a willingness to play along.
thank you for your Bullshit opinion comrade
I’m very disappointed that this kind of topic is on GTP Refugees.
Me too. I was hoping we could be talking about what was in the files. Sad!
I was hoping we could discuss why all Bidens crew are pleading the 5th amendment.
Oh yes, this was one of the many lawfare cases against a political opponent. The deposition prior to the trial of misdemeanors made into felonies before a conflicted judge.
You think criminal defendants are deposed? Really? Really?!?!
That depo was related to a civil fraud trial that resulted in a $364 million judgement. He and his lawyers decided that answering could only make things worse.
“Only the mob takes the Fifth.”
Lil Donnie the Con.
So, I guess there has been a lot of mobsters taking the 5th the last few days. Amirite?
I wasn’t the one demeaning a Constitutional right.
You and your hypocrite God were.
That is my point. Lots of good reasons to exercise your rights without morons and hypocrites questioning your motives for doing so.
We all know the 5th is a constitutional right. But you are the one that said only the mob takes the 5th amendment. It’s worth point out that it goes both ways if you are a mobster to take the 5th.
Da fuck?!?
Its really hard to have substantive discussions with people who don’t know anything.
Anyway here, catch up:
https://youtu.be/MvsdABjCedA?si=XfLgeU4uX6wbugPr
“I could sit in the Oval Office and call my supporters, including people I’ve appointed to run the FBI, “stupid” on TV and not lose a vote.”
https://youtube.com/shorts/Kuy6aAu-6B8?si=J5AtqYlOpokWgl6p
I can only assume that many millions of Americans have never felt more common ground than with this pointed assessment of the qualities of the people who populate his particular political movement.
My question is this:
Is it now incumbent upon each and every one of those folks to whom he is referring to embrace the truth from he who “says what everyone is thinking” and who “tells it like it is” and just accept his finding that “you’re stupid?”
I mean fuck your feelings applies equally to everyone, amirite?
Oh look, Derek thinks the Warren Commission was a deep state cover up. He probably thinks Elvis was on the grassy knoll too.
If you think its more likely that Oswald gave up his citizenship, went to and returned from the Soviet Union with his new bride and acted all by his lonesome, than there was some larger conspiracy/circumstances that have never been revealed, then “bless your heart.”
I am not saying I know who all was involved and/or why, but the idea that Oswald did all of that alone isn’t passing my “smell test.”
Until someone explains how a guy goes to and from the USSR and when he gets back here publicly promotes Castro and communism and no one says a word I am not on “team warren report.”
Try that with Iran:
Disavow your citizenship, travel to Tehran, get married, bring her back, and start handing out leaflets saying “death to America.”
If they then pin an assassination on you, I’ve got your back.
I don’t disbelieve the official version because I am a conspiracy nut. I disbelieve the official version because it lacks all credibility.
Maybe Oswald was a patsy, like he said. Maybe he was a participant.
He is not SOLELY responsible for the death of the president.
Also, tell me how a full metal jacket bullet explodes into dozens (hundreds?) of pieces and every fragment was lost so that it can’t be compared forensically to the “magic bullet” or to the firearm.
Which isn’t “magic” anyway. The “magic bullet” did what full metal jacket bullets do. Full metal jacket bullets do not fragment.
Three identical shells were found in the snipers den in the book depository. All full metal jacket bullets.
That means at least two shooters firing different types of rounds.
Could a secret service agent have pulled a trigger in a panic? Would that be too damn embarrassing to reveal? Would it lead to a cover up? Plausible.
Would that lead to a complicated and embarrassing trial so Oswald has to go? Perhaps.
Even with all of that I don’t think Oswald ends up on that route by accident. The idea in someone or some group’s mind is to pin it on Castro and trigger an invasion that wasn’t otherwise happening.
Oswald’s failure to embrace that plan when taken into custody means either:
He was never “in” on it OR he had expected to be moved to safety rather than taking the fall.
And we know now that James J. Angleton was monitoring Oswalds mail and movements and the cia covered that fact up in both during the Warren Report investigation and with perjured testimony during the congressional investigation in the 1970’s.
Why?
I don’t trust stories from liars and people who lose valuable pieces of evidence without explanation. And I don’t put away my common sense simply because the gubmit tells me to. A solid majority of Americans agree:
https://news.gallup.com/poll/514310/decades-later-americans-doubt-lone-gunman-killed-jfk.aspx
You don’t know what I believe.
Nor did you know what I believe but it didn’t stop you from speculating did it?
Meanwhile I had the respect and restraint to start with “if.”
Meh. I don’t deign to respond to you. Yawn.
My take is that is Mossad and people being blackmailed are still useful. Also it would look bad if our intel knew all this and didnt do anything but encourage it. Do I think a lot on both sides are on it? Of course, thats why I dont vote and havent since 2000.
And what could be more useful to mossad than a potus?
Hell, they might be able to get away with bombing Iran without permission.
Such a potus might even follow up with even more bombing.
These are mere hypotheticals of course.
Just read that the DOJ fired the federal prosecutor that prosecuted Epstein and Maxwell. Sure, there’s nothing to see here.
Wasn’t she from the loins of disgraced FBI Director Comey?
And as the regime makes clearer each and every day, nothing says more about your value as a human being than the circumstances of your birth, including whether you should be considered and treated as one.
And? He could’ve fired her the moment fraulein Bondi was confirmed if he wanted to purge the man’s lineage from the regime. Instead, he waited till now, when the base is revolting over his crawfishing on Epstein to fire the person responsible for investigating and prosecuting Epstein himself? I’m sure there was some petty revenge that motivated this. Because, that’s who he is. But, I believe he’s doing this specifically to cover his own ass from any implication in Epstein’s atrocities.
How can you discount the possibility that the Puff Daddy case/result had something to do with either the move or its timing?
It may have been inconvenient to fire her in January while the Combs case was gearing up for trial. It may be that losing on the most serious charges opened the door.
It may have been the plan all along to wait until the verdict, even if it was a global victory.
Finally, Puffy could have paid for her head.
Anything is possible with this bunch.
I’m never one to assume Trump exercises an ounce of strategic thinking or any kind of thinking really. So, no I didn’t really consider that. Still, he’s plastered all over those files and is doing everything he can to keep any further information from coming out.
congrats…didn’t think anyone was dumber than Derek…
In 2016 we were told that Trump hired Russian prostitutes to pee on a bed because the Obamas had slept in it. Since then, everything, up to and including assassination has been on the table in order to keep Trump out of office. Do you honestly believe that if there were any incriminating evidence in these files we wouldn’t know all about it already?
On the flip side, do I honestly believe that if there was any incriminating evidence on Clinton that we wouldn’t know about it already?
You can have your opinion but not your own reality. We didn’t learn of a “pee tape” until early 2017 AFTER the election.
The only consequential governmental “leaking” was Comey in June and Comey again in late October.
The only cover up was paying off a porn star in late October so the voting public didn’t know about it before they went to the polls.
The only politician caught trying to use his position to shake out politically harmful info on an opponent was trump in his call to Zelensky.
You can try like Bill-O here to make shit up but some of us have what’s called recollections and people did write shit down:
https://youtu.be/70HaywsQsn8?si=ZtsMvBqn4NkEE4T7
My dates may have beem off but the point still stands.
That you so vehemently argue the D’s are as pure as the wind driven snow either makes you completely dishonest or it makes your trolling skills on par with Trump’s. I actually believe it’s the latter, because you seem pretty smart.
Pure? Nah.
Feckless and incompetent to the point where subscribing actual evil intent and/or acts are hilarious?
Definitely.
It took Merrick Garland nearly two years to appoint a special prosecutor.
I would have had his ass indicted in March 2017.
The democrats could have passed a bill declaring Jan 6 an “insurrection “ which would have made this guy ineligible.
If you fear that bunch youre a real wuss.
Trump , Bongino, Kash, Bondi effectively put on a Trump / Elon skit for the retards. None of this information gets out and covered wall to wall unless shit for brains like Derek and some of you tards think it makes Trump look bad. The fact that Derek is discussing Epstein and a list, plus there is a 1200% increase in google search inquiries over the last week should tell you Its not a cover up. Its a spotlight.
Democrats and communist retards like Derick want to see a list… Heres a shocker for you… theres a list… so fuckin what. Who made the list and what were they doing with that list? Either our intelligence agency or Israels (more likely both) were actively Blackmailing elected officials and influencers / actors / singers / powerful ceo’s and royalty to do thier bidding. Whats more important, some schmuck that got roofied and woke up with Pdiddy up his ass or a live boy or a dead girl or the MFers that were actively running this for power, money and government contracts?
Also, the fact(!) that Epstein worked for the CIA and Mossad should tell you this is a National Security issue and is being investigated by the NSA and/or CIA (now that Ratcliff is in charge). And no Derek I do not give a shit about your opinion and no I’m not going to do your fucking homework for you so you can piss on it.
The rest of you retards still waiting on don leMond or the AJC to tell you whats happening please keep telling everyone how much you don’t know.
Thanks for the rent free living spaces.
How about a lewd birthday card to a sex trafficking friend named Jeffrey with the a cryptic, creepy message?
“A pal is a wonderful thing. Happy Birthday — and may every day be another wonderful secret.”
Trump doesn’t doodle!!
That’s crazy talk!
https://www.ebay.com/itm/193734589953
Rent free living isn’t that what you commies are all about?
That and diversion from truth?
I hate that you shit all over what the Senator built…
you steal the joy from everyone who reads your screed…
you’re even shittier than what you think other people think of you…
Now if that were true, wouldn’t I have your support for President?