Iran.
No links today. Events may overtake them anyway. Enough to talk/think about on that subject without them: Mosaddegh, the Shah, the Revolutionary Government, nuclear issues, regime change, engagement, the future and on and on.
Discuss.
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being on this side of the atlantic in europe, it is scary seeing palestinian flags and graffiti of anti-Jewish comments everywhere and the anti-Israeli/Jewish environment…
I couldn’t imagine feeling remotely comfortable as a Jewish person/family walking around, going to grocery store, etc.
1) As far as the state of Israel and the question of Zionism goes, the PR there has not been good, at all. Losing the sympathy of the world that quickly after the attacks on October 7th, 2023 is just really bad crisis management.
2) there is no excuse for antisemitism, ever.
1 & 2 have nothing whatsoever to do with each other.
when you have family and/or friends(hell even just countrymen/women) taken hostage, i don’t think you give two fucks what the PR looks like as you just want your people back(I am not saying that “you don’t give a fuck”)… from my neutral, Irish Catholic common sense/human decency eyes, i am looking at this situation thru the lens of… thugs entered their country, killed a bunch of their (innocent) people, took their hostages, and only want the destruction of these specific people and their land. i would want my country/military/govt/allies to do whatever is needed to get those hostages back.
Winning hearts and minds is important to winning the war. Some folks had no problem with Abu Ghraib or My Lai. Whatever. My point is that those issues undermine the overall effort. Where your particular and individual sympathies lie is irrelevant. The line you need to recognize is the one among everyone else and Israel has lost a ton of sympathies across the world and that is what matters.
Are you saying that it’s OK to terrorize as long as everyone else doesn’t like the terrorizee?
The moral question and answer is a straightforward “no.”
The strategic answer is a “maybe.”
Ever since Abraham slept with the wrong woman there’s been fighting in that region. Armageddon will occur in that region. I don’t know what’s going to happen in the near future except Israel is going to “win”. Winning might be a bad outcome for Israel but Iran is gonna get the worst of the conflict.
I think Trump wants to stay out of it but can’t due to the nuclear threat from both sides.
He wants to stay out of it? Maybe he shouldn’t have torched the previous agreement that slowed Iran’s nuclear threat. He’s already in the middle of it.
I think saying we won’t murder the ayatollah now, but we may later, and that we want Iran’s unconditional surrender is completely lacking in strategic distancing.
It appears to be a “proxy war!” Which is apparently bad among some.
My president told me that he was the only one who could prevent world war 3 in many of his high IQ and eloquent stump speeches. He wouldn’t bullshit us. HE wrote the Art of the Deal for Christ sake. He ended the Ukraine/Russian war before the inauguration just like he said. America will find its greatness again if all these unamerican libs would just leave him alone and let him cook.
Without the sarcasm, tell us what you really think? Sound like you wouldn’t be satisfied until we have a nuke hit the U.S.
Yeah, everybody wants nuclear war. The sad thing is that you probably believe that.
Iran will try if they get a nuclear weapon.
Been hearing that for decades. Makes a lot of sense. Just the WMDs.
And your knowledge of Iran is likely based on copious amounts of research watching FoxNews?
The lobotomy doesn’t seem to be helping your thought process.
Who knew the middle east was so hard? Its almost as tough as heath care.
Send in Jared
*Whirlwind*, by James Clavell, is a great book (but so are all his others too)….
Could you share an insight or two?
It’s an exciting tale of danger and adventure centered around British chopper pilots who ferry men and material to and from the oil fields during the revolution, with a fundamentalist jihadi subplot.
Persia has been going downhill ever since Al-Khawarazmi decided to start focusing heavily on Hindu mathematics and invented algebra. If we would have just stuck with the abacus the world would be a better place.
The burning question in my mind is:
Do we have to take out the regime and/or its nuclear enrichment capability, which only we (the USA) can do OR do we face a revolutionary government whose viability depends upon demonstrating that they have a nuke?
It seems to me that green lightning, not vetoing, or standing by has led us to a real crossroads. Either the existing government survives and moves on to get a nuke OR we’re getting heavily involved and soon.
I suppose Iranian capitulation is possible but I don’t see it.
The history of how we got here is interesting as well but they are not urgent matters.
If you had to make the decision whether to go or no go, what would you do. I think I know as you stated not urgent matters?
I say go on the nukes not on regime change.
I wonder if crushing their nuclear program just pushes them to buy one or have one gifted to them from Russia, China or North Korea? Sort of a final, flailing attempt to survive. As far as regime change? Does Iran even know what they want? They hated the Shah. Now they hate the revolutionaries. If left alone, usually your adversaries will bicker amongst themselves into irrelevance (sort of like Auburn).
No one is that dumb.
Let the Israelis finish off the nuclear facilities that they can reach and bomb all entrances to Fordow. That buys time to either negotiate giving up the nuclear program altogether, or finish off Fordow with a GBU if they refuse. Either outcome paves the way for an opposition government to take over. My 2 cents.
No one knows what progress ca be made by the Iranians in the interim.
Always true, but IAEA inspectors and intelligence agencies can help close the knowledge gap.
They likely won’t let them in. Or won’t let see everything.
That would have to be part of the deal, and if the Iranians don’t allow them in the facilities they would be escorted in by force, if needed.
What deal? There is no deal.
Go back to my first post about the plan I’d suggest.
Nothing boosts a republican presidents approval rating like bombing a non-Christian country.
The squad would like to give you a big hug, hell maybe more.
Thats just what the data shows. Sorry you don’t like facts.
Even Derek if he were making the decisions would bomb the nuke site.
To be clear, that is based off of where we are. I would not have green lighted Israel or walked away from the 2015 agreement.
Your being naive if you believe Iran was adhering to the 2015 agreement. They were working toward a nuke weapon agreement be damned.
I heard that speech from Colin Powell
I sincerely hope we do not get involved in another Middle Eastern war, and I honestly think President Trump, despite being counselled otherwise by the warharwks and neo-cons in DC, does not want war either. I hope he continues to ignore them. However, some credence must be given to the rhetoric that has emanated from Iran since its inception; they seek the total destruction of Israel and the West. When people constantly and consistently tell you who they are and what they want, you should believe them. My preference would be to supply Israel with the munitions and any intelligence requested to destroy Iran’s ability to produce weapons grade uranium, and hope there is enough collateral damage to affect regime change. The mad mullahs are literally screaming for Armageddon and I pray we find a way to deny them what they seek.
Some interesting sign posts on the way to this point in history: the handling of the Iranian hostage situation by President Carter in 1979, the airlift of 1.7B in cash to Iran by the Obama administration in 2016, and the cancellation of UN and US imposed economic sanctions on Iran by whoever was in charge of the Biden White House in 2021. And spare me the “nuclear deal” garbage during Obama’s term. That deal did absolutely nothing to stop or even slow the enrichment of uranium and did not even allow for IAEA inspections at “military” sites.
If you say so it must be true.
We do know this:
Their enrichment capacities reached a level necessitating military action AFTER the withdrawal from the agreement which was not substituted with the promised “so easy” and “so much better” agreement.
Nope. Instead we got war, but why question the infallibility of your Gods?
“Remember that I predicted a long time ago that President Obama will attack Iran because of his inability to negotiate properly-not skilled!”
DJT 1/11/13
There’s always a tweet
Which part of that tweet are you pissed off about, that he was wrong that Obama would attack Iran, or that he was right about Obama’s inability to negotiate?
It’s been 7 years since Trump tore up the Iran nuclear deal and it’s been replaced by….nothing. I guess that’s the real art of the deal.
Gotta love talking to thick as a brick lefties. Trump didn’t tear up anything; when only 1 side is adhering to an agreement, there is no agreement. The sweetheart side of the deal for Iran was NO sanctions while the deal was in place. They kicked out inspectors, continued enriching uranium, and because of the “deal” you love so much, couldn’t be sanctioned for doing so. Getting out of the “deal” so we could impose sanctions is not a difficult concept to grasp. For most people………….
And jog my memory, was there a President between Trump’s terms, this 7 years you speak of, that might have affected the situation? Nah, I must have imagined it.
We cancelled it unilaterally. We were promised a replacement that would be so easy to get cause deals! Didn’t happen. Instead the Iranians got sufficiently close to a weaponized nuke to require military action.
We cancelled a deal that wasn’t being honored. And the promise was to squeeze them with sanctions, which was working very well, until the unelected cabal that was the Biden presidency lifted the sanctions. I know CNN and the NYT doesn’t tell you this, so it doesn’t surprise me that you are unaware of it.
It wasn’t a deal honored by trump from the moment it was signed. He didn’t say I’m tearing it up because it isn’t being honored. He said it was a bad deal period and he would get a better one and easily.
Not surprised that you don’t know shit about anything. ever.
He wasn’t President when it was signed by Obama, so his “honoring” never came into the equation until January 2017. He said it was a shit deal from the get go and he wasn’t wrong. What part of Iran not allowing inspections while increasing enrichment do you not understand? And he promised to get us out of it if elected, which he did, and replace it with sanctions that would work, which they did. Pisses you off when he’s right, I know, but even Google can find articles on CNN, NBC, AP, and NYT that explain all of this. If you refuse to educate yourself, that’s on you. And now that I have Derek’s standard “you don’t know shit” or “you’re full of shit” reply when he can’t back up what he’s blabbering about, I’ll find my way out. Have a nice day.
You are a fool.
He criticized it as a candidate and said he would end it if elected AND get a better deal.
The international inspectors have been in iran the entire fucking time.
https://www.iaea.org/newscenter/focus/iran/iaea-and-iran-iaea-board-reports
You are entitled your own false reality and zero respect.
Good day, sir.
Sanctions WERE a better deal. And if you refuse to research the IAEA inspectors that were not allowed into Iran, or the sites they refused to allow ANY inspectors into, that’s on you. And you talk to other people about “false reality”. I will wear your “zero respect” as a badge of honor. It actually proves my point.
Are those goal posts heavy?
Haven’t moved an inch. Your guys abetted Iran, my guy is trying to stop them. Nothing posted about Carter, Obama, or the Biden committee is untrue. The fact you want to defend them and somehow make Trump the bad guy shows how bad your TDS has become. To you, Iran with nukes is preferable to Trump stopping them. That’s some sad sick shit. Liberalism really is a mental disorder.
Reagan sold Iran missiles in exchange for hostages.
Bush oversaw nuclear proliferation to South Korea, Pakistan and India.
Bush also created an environment that made it clear that the path to regime security is having a nuke.
Trump hasn’t done anything except leave an agreement that led to levels of enrichment that were no longer permissible. We’ll never know whether the agreement framework would have avoided all of this because he walked away with nothing.
Facts suck for you folks so you avoid them.